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Christian nationalist pastor Joel Webbin says the state should seize churches that fly pride flags and auction the buildings to "faithful" churches — then tells politicians who agree with him to keep quiet about it until after they've won office. This episode we take issue with the whole scheme: it isn't biblical, it isn't American, and it leans on a Hebrew Bible king (Josiah) precisely because the New Testament won't cooperate. But then things get strange, because when you ask whether the Bible actually forbids deception, the answer — right up to God himself — is a whole lot messier than "thou shalt not bear false witness." _______________________________________________ Get your Data Over Dogma merch at our online store: https://data-over-dogma-shop.fourthwall.com/ Shop our classic collection before our old store closes: https://datadoverdogma.printful.me _______________________________________________ Support Data Over Dogma and get every episode early and ad-free, plus exclusive bonus content — become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/DataOverDogma _______________________________________________ Listen to the podcast on every app: https://pod.link/1681418502 _______________________________________________ Follow us: Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/dataoverdogmapod TikTok — https://www.tiktok.com/@data.over.dogma.pod Threads — https://www.threads.com/@dataoverdogmapod X — https://x.com/data_over_dogma Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/DataOverDogmaPod _______________________________________________ Get Dan McClellan's New York Times bestselling book, The Bible Says So: https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/bible-says-so-9781250347466/ _______________________________________________ Chapters: 0:00 Intro 0:48 Can You Lie for Jesus? 1:30 Who Is Joel Webbon? 3:43 Josiah's Purge (2 Kings 23) 6:08 Propaganda, Not History 6:39 Depose the Pride-Flag Pastors 7:51 Hide Your Power Levels 9:19 Echoes of Project 2025 10:11 Is It Biblical? 13:08 Kings vs. the New Testament 14:15 No Religious Test for Office 16:25 Is It American? 18:27 Can You Lie for Good? 20:26 Jacob and the Divine Trickster 22:12 When God Lies 23:53 Why Is Lying the Line? 26:02 Is Webbon Consistent? 28:18 Deception in Real Politics 30:38 Wrap-Up _______________________________________________ #DataOverDogma #BibleScholarship #ChristianNationalism #JoelWebbin #Josiah