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"We have to, as it were, evolve the way we deal with this phenomenon. And it's just a source of complete mystery to me, why we have failed to do so." The Refugee Convention was a "very good document" when it was signed in 1951, but times have now changed and the western world must adapt to protect borders, says The Sunday Times's columnist Matthew Syed. Matthew Syed was speaking to Seb Payne on The Times Radio Drive. Listen live every Monday-Thursday from 4-7pm. Read the best of our journalism: https://www.thetimes.com/ Listen live to Times Radio: https://www.thetimes.com/radio/live Subscribe to The Times and The Sunday Times YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=timesonlinevideo Find us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/timesandsundaytimes/ Find us on X: https://x.com/thetimes Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thetimes/